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| nirad99 | Chronic Migraines/ quitting Narcotics | 1 | Apr 13 2012, 12:13 PM EDT by ForestForTreesTMS | ||||
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Hi...
I'm new to this forum but I have been reading the posts quite a bit. My story (briefly)... I've had chronic migraines with nausea for over 6 years now. I started like everyone else, going to a neurologist and just recently (January) had surgery performed to remove the nerves in my "trigger" areas. I've been through all drug therapies and every type of alternative treatment available to no avail. After a bit of prompting from a family member I read through one of Sarno's book "the Mindbody Prescription". It helped quite a bit with the pain. At the same time, I wanted to stop taking the painkiller Nucynta. I've been on some kind of painkiller for the last 4 years. I was taking 200-300 mg of nucynta with 4-6 excedrin migraines daily. It's been 3 weeks since I stopped taking the drug and now I'm finding myself extremely anxious and depressed. I'm trying to approach the depression/anxiety the same way as the migraine pain but it just doesn't seem to work. I feel very despondent and the lack of interest in work and music(I'm a musician) is overwhelming. My problem is I don't know if I transferred the pain over to depression/anxiety or if this is a physical withdrawal from the Nucynta. I can't seem to find anyone that is familiar with that particular narcotic. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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| Giacomo17 | Questioning the belief structure of psychotherapy | 1 | Jan 17 2012, 10:35 AM EST by ForestForTreesTMS | ||||
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Reading Sarno's The Divided Mind, I'm reminded of a few cornerstones to psychotherapy that are glaringly, even destructively, misinforming. There's one particularly that I'd like to discuss and receive feedback on (I wanted to mention more, but I ran out of room). Please correct me if I'm wrong, but, to me, this seems to be the stark reality of the matter.
Psychotherapy, from what I've gleaned from sources, holds the belief that "you cannot change your past subconscious programming that you were raised on. You are a slave to it and the best you can do is understand it so you can objectify yourself from what you're going through." I've experienced a number of various healing modalities the past several years concerning the readjustment of your character, your perceptions, your feelings, to be generally healthier and more alive. They have ranged from sitting in the Amazon rainforest with Peruvian shamans, to writing thesis papers discussing, in part, the science of spiritual experience, to, yes, even modern psychotherapy. ALL other healing traditions I've encountered thus far, besides psychotherapy, strongly assert that ANYTHING can be healed with the right tools. From my personal experience with them, I would strongly agree. I think the problem with psychotherapy is simply that it does not currently possess the right tools. Psychotherapy has not evolved enough yet to understand the vast implications of what we really are experiencing, as this thing we call "human beings." Psycotheraphy is like an infant crawling along the floor of the Universe. And I think it's time it grew up.
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| Giacomo17 | In light of the TMS physiology, how do we practice good will? | 2 | Jan 13 2012, 3:03 PM EST by Giacomo17 | ||||
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SO it seems that we have this Inner Child, this Inner Primal Urge, to be selfish, obscene, irresponsible, to be spontaneous and have fun and be creative. And when this is denied by our Inner Perfectionist, that Inner Child/Animal builds up unconscious rage in us, which in turn creates TMS. This seems to suggest, to me, that we must, of course, listen to this Inner Child and its needs. It needs to be expressed, it needs to be felt, and it needs to basically play a more CONSCIOUS role in our lives.
So, that, then, leads me to my current dilemma: on the one hand, we now know that we need to allow ourselves to embrace this Inner Primal Force within us. But we also know that we must often opt instead to practice generosity and good will and responsibility in order to interact harmoniously and prosperously with our world. So is this REALLY the state of things: that the essential nature of our humanity is to be in constant conflict with ourselves? Does it always REALLY have to be a win-lose or a lose-win situation between the Inner Adult and the Inner Child, like Sarno suggests? I find that hard to believe, and perhaps you do, too, if you are at all like me and hold a belief in there being a benevolent design behind the mystery of this Universe. I appreciate insights from others on this.
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| unconscious | Can you be a repressor if you consciously feel sad or angry? | 10 | Jan 12 2012, 6:26 PM EST by Ollin | ||||
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Based on Samuel Mann's chapter in The Divided Mind, where he writes:
"The patient who tells me he is worried about this or angry about that, or that he or she feels down or depressed from time to time, is not likely to be a repressor. The patient who tells me he is very even keeled, or is always up, or has never ever been depressed no matter what has happened, is likely a repressor" (210).
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| TomAngelo09 | Trying not to lose my 6th tooth | 0 | Dec 4 2011, 12:35 AM EST by TomAngelo09 | ||||
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Hello, everybody. Last Monday, I bit into a small bone in some chicken. It really jarred my mouth. 2 teeth in the area where I bit down have been sore ever since, though not constantly. I had x-rays done Wednesday by a woman I felt to be a good dentist; she said both the x-rays and the actual teeth looked fine. But I'm continuing to experience discomfort, and this is a repeat of a pattern I've been thru 5 times: starting when I was 23, I had a series of root canals on various teeth that had begun bothering me (usually after biting into something hard). EVERY ONE of those teeth eventually started hurting again after the root canal, even though repeated x-rays failed to detect any fracture until months, even years after the pain started. Every one of those root canals ultimately 'failed', either by cracking (below the gumline) or becoming infected, so I've lost 5 teeth and had to replace each of them, at great expense. It probably doesn't help that I clench my teeth at night (and probably at times of stress during the day), although I have worn a nightguard for over 15 years. I desperately do not want to either get a root canal (which will inevitably fail) or have either of these teeth extracted and have to go thru that horror again. I am still struggling to accept that my chronic pain is TMS - in fact, I'm about to start psychotherapy for TMS - and because there was an actual injury here (i.e., the "bad bite"), I'm having a really hard time with this particular instance. It is possible that, in the past, I got unnecessary root canals out of desperation to stop discomfort that might have been caused either by night-time clenching or TMS. Finally, what makes this especially difficult is that I know, from experience, that dental x-rays are not all that reliable; that there can be microscopic cracks that can take years to detect. Meantime, I suffer and get multiple x-rays and worry. Anyone have any feedback? Thanks!
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| Giacomo17 | So is there still a place for chiropractic and acupuncture? | 2 | Nov 24 2011, 9:50 PM EST by Back2-It | ||||
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Do you feel that chiropractic and acupuncture still serve any worthwhile purpose, given that it appears so much of their success is placebo and fleeting? Can a doctor versed in both chiropractic/acupuncture and TMS counseling thrive in a single practice? Or do you believe that chiropractic and acupuncture benefits do not outweigh the cost of going to school and charging patients for it?
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| Giacomo17 | On seeking a diagnosis from a doctor | 1 | Nov 20 2011, 4:14 PM EST by ForestForTreesTMS | ||||
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I've read in most places that inform people of TMS that it's important to first seek a diagnosis from a doctor first before assuming that yours is a case of TMS. But aren't these the same doctors that are perpetuating the misinformation as to the cause of pain? Why would we go seek the advice of a doctor that doesn't believe in TMS and would rather make money off you from surgery and spinal adjustments? Of course, seeking a one-on-one counsel with a TMS practitioner is ideal, but it's not practical in many situations, such as mine, where I don't know of any in the area.
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| ozagnes | Are pain management clinics good or bad? | 5 | Nov 18 2011, 11:32 AM EST by pandamonium09 | ||||
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Thread started: Nov 15 2011, 8:04 PM EST
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Hello,
I have chronic pelvic pain which increases with sitting and after 3 years of surgeries and injections etc, I have finally been told it is "neuropathic". I am therefore going to a pain management clinic where we practice mindfulness meditation, acceptance and commitment therapy, and PT. So far so good, although I really think I have TMS after I read (and practiced) dr Schubiner's book. The problem is, at the clinic they emphasize that it is necessary to accept the fact that the pain will most likelly NOT go away, and therefore we have to learn to live with it, like an unwanted companion, but we can still have a good life with it. So obviously it puts doubts in my mind about the fact that I will get better, something necessary to have faith in for treating TMS. So far I am trying to keep my convictions that it is TMS and I can get rid of it, but it is very challenging to filter out and only take in the good advice from the pain clinic. Should I continue to go or quit the clinic? I am starting next week a 3-week intensive programm (5 days/week, all day)... Thank you!
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| Max2094 | Having no physician to diagnose TMS?? | 11 | Nov 16 2011, 4:08 AM EST by pandamonium09 | ||||
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Hi,
I have been in chronic back pain (no sciatica) for around 2 years that is progressively getting worse. An MRI has shown a minor disc bulge at L5/S1 with no nerve root compression. I am 31 years old and first "injured" my back at age 18. The pain i am experiencing has become so bad i am now completely restricted and cant do any sport or even go for a long walk.I used to be very athletic but all that has ended for me.Doctors here have always told me i would degenerate more and more as i aged,which has resulted in 12 years of non-stop fear of further injuring my back. I have tried physio, Chiro, Oseopathy, Yoga and seen multiple doctors over the last couple of years all to little or zero improvement. I have read Sarno's HBP and have MBP on order. I believe i show all the signs of having TMS and am desperate to get a diagnosis but live in Australia where it seems no physicians diagnose? Can someone please give any advice on a diagnosis of TMS when faced with my situation?
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| Max2094 | Lumbar Bone scan...Yes or no??? | 2 | Nov 14 2011, 11:27 PM EST by Max2094 | ||||
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Hi Everyone,
After reading 2 of Sarno's books and fitting perfectly into a TMS profile i am in the process of trying to heal myslef. I have no TMS MD's in the country i live so recently i have had a heap of tests to rule out anything serious to help with a TMS diagnosis so i can start one of the treatment programs. Now i have a decision to make...After seeing a Rhuemotologist and having an MRI, Xray, Nerve Exam, Blood tests they could not find anything except a minor disc bulge at L5/S1 which they concluded could not be the cuase of my chronic pain, They want me to get a lumbar bone scan to look for facet joint arthritis.. In Sarno's books he claims this is not a painful issue and part of ageing. I am at two minds as to have this scan done, Partly as being in my 30's im sure some signs of wear and tear will probably show up and once if they find something it will just give my brain another injury to focus and worry about? Any advice much appreciated!! Thanks
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| Giacomo17 | Pain comes up while visualizing | 3 | Nov 8 2011, 5:46 AM EST by Ollin | ||||
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Hi there. I'm not sure if you are familiar with him, but I've been reading a book by Fred Amir called "Rapid Recovery from Back and Neck Pain." It helped me to quickly get over TMS about seven years ago in my wrist. But now I've been experiencing a relapse for the past 8 months or so that is proving to be much more stubborn. I've been weeding out sources of tension in my life and that's helping, along with working with the guidelines in this book. It's mostly better. I can resume most normal activity, provided I keep a strong focus on images and affirmations of strength. But it's still there to the point where it's very distracting and frustrating for me and it doesn't seem to be letting up anymore.
Part of my concern is largely that when I visualize myself using my hand and wrist, such as playing guitar, I feel physical pain. I can't help but think, then, that I'm just further creating an association in my brain between playing the guitar and feeling that pain. I've tried a variety of affirmations to go with the visualizations, with only fleeting success. So I only spend a minute or two visualizing (twice a day) when I do, which may not be enough. How should I proceed? Thanks!!! Kyle
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| Nascent | TMS and Thoracic Outlet Syndrome? | 1 | Nov 6 2011, 12:32 PM EST by ForestForTreesTMS | ||||
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Has anyone had a TMS patient with Thoracic Outlet Syndrome as the condition caused by TMS? I've had constant pain in my neck, shoulder, arm, and hand for over a year and have been to many doctors, therapists and chiropractors to no avail. Ive had other minor pain issues in the past - lower back and leg pain, frequent fatigue, but nothing that has affected me as drastically as the TOS. It started from too much computer use (during a very stressful weekend). The symptoms only got worse and have affected my job to the point where I had to take 3 months off, and now I can only work pt and have no idea how I am supposed to support myself much longer. Physical therapy has not helped me, and the pain has never gone away, not even during my time off (it only decreased a little). Six months ago the pain developed on the other side as well (though not as extreme). The current loose diagnosis is thoracic outlet syndrome because I have extremely tight muscles that never loosen and seem to be constricting nerves and blood vessels through my neck and arms. Conservative therapy is all anyone will recommend (which is fine because I do not want surgery) but nothing seems to do anything at all. For a long time Ive been reading about trigger point therapy (for muscle knots) and it seemed to describe exactly what I was feeling, but doing massage for that does not seem to do anything either.
After reading 2 of Dr. Sorno's books I've come to the extremely strong suspicion that TMS is the root of my problems. I am very much a good/perfectionistic person and have had many stresses in my life that cause me to constantly dialog in my mind about them. I am trying to figure out what the best way for me to explore this avenue is (there are no TMS therapists in my area), but I would also feel better knowing if anyone has had any exp with any patients specifically with TOS. Thank you.
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| rdl50 | Do I have TMS | 10 | Oct 28 2011, 4:02 PM EDT by rdl50 | ||||
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I have had back pain for the past 4 years located on the right side going down my glute. Initial MRI's showed herniated disc at L4/L5 with some level of deterioration in the lumbar spine. I had seen a physiatrist who prescribed physical therapy followed by 3 spinal injections which each provided temporary relief. Also did trigger point injections which did not help either. Over the last few years i have seen a chiropractor, had acupuncture, massage etc. About 2 years ago I discovered John Sarno and read Healing Back Pain and Mind Body prescription. I really saw myself in the descriptions of the syndrome but did not get better. I bought the DVD of Dr. Sarno's lecture and did not get better. I read Monte Huffle's book and tried to follow that and did not get better.
Last December I went to a neurologist and had another MRI taken which showed a synovial cyst on the right side at L5/S1 which I was told was pressing on a nerve and was consistent with my pain. I had 2 attempts at aspirating the cyst which was unsuccessful followed by surgery in July to remove the cyst. Unfortunately, 3 months out from surgery I am still experiencing my original pain and am wondering whether it is time to reconsider TMS. But if understanding TMS before did not help, I'm skeptical it will help now. Any advice would be appreciated.
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| balon12 | Cracking/popping joints/muscles a TMS symptom? | 3 | Oct 20 2011, 1:26 PM EDT by PhilChow | ||||
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Thread started: Sep 26 2011, 6:15 AM EDT
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I oftenfeel the urge to crack my muscles/joints - up to every 10 minutes - because they hurt/feel stiff. Stretching my muscles, which makes a cracking/popping noise, brings relief and then the pain and stiffness is gone for a while. Also, my body does not like sitting in those postures which I initially caused my complaints (due to a static posture for a longer time while doing work at the computer). In that case, the stiffness (or sometimes stinging pain) appears quicker. Sometimes I can feel and see that there are some short muscles contractions in certain postures. Ignoring the pain/stiffness will make it worse: it then gives me a stinging pain and neighbouring muscles (for example, the chest or shoulder, which are relatively spared, in case of my arms) will hurt and get stiff. Taking a lot of rest for a week or more will prevent it being spread all over my body I think. Another strange thing is that I sometimes can get relief in my shoulder when I either stretch my fingers or my elbow (same result). Weather temperature has an influence: there is less pain and less urge to crack when there is warm weather.
Could this urge to crack/stretch, and its relief be a TMS symptom? I also think it might be some compulsive behaviour (like in OCD). I do have the goodism and perfectionist personality. I am anxious-orientated person to a certain extent and I sometimes have some depressive tendencies. Furthermore, a family member does have the same symptoms (to a lesser extent) and also applies the same relief technique.
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| Max2094 | Doctors advice needed on pain after certain activities | 1 | Oct 17 2011, 3:07 PM EDT by ForestForTreesTMS | ||||
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Hi,
Im onto my second Sarno book and am new to the TMS theory. I show so many TMS signs im convinced i suffer from it. Living in Australia i dont have access to a TMS MD and have many questions that need answering and hope an expert can give their opinion on some of the things that are confusing me as i start on this journey. I have had chronic back pain for around 2 years with a minor disc bulge with no nerve root compression at L5 level. I have no sciatica and doctors/Physios,Chiro's etc have no real answers as to why i am experiencing so much pain off a relatively normal MRI result.The pain is so bad now i cant run or play sport. I still try to keep as active as possible and do at least 2 hours of yoga a week. My main question before i start one of the treatment programs is pain after certain activities. For instance i dont usually get sore after yoga unless i really push myself...This then leads to the thinking that the pain is worsened by pushing "the injury" more than i should. Another pain increase has occurred today after a boating trip at sea yesterday in rough conditions where i was bounced knocked around the boat which always leaves me feeling sore and feeling like a physical injury has been inflamed rather than a mental one. Im not sore while doing these,usually the pain increases the day after. So my question is how come these things create more pain? I dont consciously expect that they will create more pain,but the next day the pain worsens? Can TMS pain be worsened by certain activities? For instance if someone had severe TMS back pain then did something like lift something heavy or do something you would expect to flare up a "bad back" does this still mean that its TMS pain or would pain after a activity indicate a physical injury and rule out TMS? I would really appreciate an experts advice on this. Thank you.
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| kenny_kim | I'm just wondering how to ignore my back pain when I sit a long time ? | 12 | Oct 4 2011, 8:58 PM EDT by Ollin | ||||
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Thread started: Sep 27 2011, 10:25 PM EDT
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According to healing TMS, we often hear that one of the most importat things to get over the back pain is to do normal physical activites even though the pain is getting worse when doing those things..
This is because the fear of doing normal activities feeds the pain, the pain feeds the fear.. namely... vicious circle... One of good tips to overcome TMS I heard is that ... I should think "what is going on psychologically right now, when the pain just increased.." In this point,, I'm just wondering how to break my thoughts of "the conditioning" For instance, when I sit more than 10 minutes, My lower back pain starts to increase.. In this situation,, do I have to think that " Something is going on psychologically right now ??? not blaming sitting long time for the pain ??" When I stand up and move a little bit because of the pain, My pain decreases, which seems to distract pressure from my spine. The conventional common medical theory is that sitting on a chair put more pressure on the spine than lying down or standing up, which's also been proven scientically. So, I'm inclined to think that the more physical pressure on my spine due to siiting on a chair makes my pain increase.. I really believe I have TMS. However, It is difficult for me to break my thoughts about the conditioned pain which TMS experts call .. Is there anyone tell me how to think and break the conditioned pain in case of sitting a long time ? Do I still have to think and focus on what's going on psychologically on purpose even if my mind moves toward the conditioned pain due to siiting a long time??? Please.. Help me.....
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| Martinthaiworld | Meniere's Syndrome - Could this be the equivalent of TMS? | 5 | Oct 4 2011, 11:12 AM EDT by chopper72 | ||||
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Hi there,
I am a recovered TMS suffererer due to the fantastic work of Dr John Sarno! I read his book 'Healing Back Pain,' at a time when I had almost given up hope and it enabled me to ditch the TMS and resume a fully active lifestyle including unrestricted weight training, travel and anything else that I felt like doing. Reading that book was one of the best decisions I ever made! The reason for my e-mail is that a few years after the TMS went away, I developed Meniere's Syndrome for which I have been on Serc medication for the previous 10 years. I have, however, noticed numerous similarities in the type of disorder that Meniere's is and my previous experience with TMS. Firstly, the disorder is never clearly diagnosed by a physician, but is made on symptoms alone and lack of explanation of another serious medical disorder to explain it. Secondly, stress or anxiety about the symptoms almost always exasperates them. Thirdly, oxygen deprivation to the inner ears in Meniere's seems to be a cause of fluid levels increasing, thus inducing vertigo and nausea. And finally, there has not been any clear cut evidence that diet modifications eg salt reduction ect has any benefit on the condition, other than a placebo. I would be really interested to hear your thoughts. I try to ignore the condition as much as possible but at times of a flair up (such as at the moment!), a better understanding of the psychological element involved could really bring me to the next stage in overcoming it. Thanks so much!
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| johngreece | can i fight again??? | 8 | Sep 4 2011, 5:39 PM EDT by johngreece | ||||
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Hello, I am a professional boxing fighter.
Before two years a strong backache came over me. I tried medical drugs, physiotherapy and many doctors advice but nothing ever helped me. So I decided to do a laser operation in order to walk properly again. Even after the operation I had some episodes of pain in addition with fear, so that forced me to stop fighting and I began to concentrate on the teaching of martial arts. When I read Sarno's book I believed in him and I realized that stress and tension were the reasons of my problem. From that moment i feel much better and I am training once again! I believe that I am an ideal candidate for TMS. Before fights i have a lot of stress and i think thats the reason i am pain so much. How can I be sure that I wouldn't be affected again by this situation?
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| abbywal | RSI and TMS. Can it really be linked??? | 10 | Aug 24 2011, 9:16 PM EDT by Enrique.Pasos | ||||
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I am 99% sure I have TMS. I fit the personality type and all that jazz. I am currently on my 3rd week of Sarno's plan for pain/numbness in the wrists. This is due to intense work on the computer (my personality made it intense). I have seen some improvement! Hope to see more!
But here is my issue - I can't get it out of my head that I was working with REALLY poor posture and ergonomics for years! I mean working on a laptop on my bed for hours - curled up. I mean my wrists were almost always curled! That can't be good. Could it be physical? Although, I admit, doctors can't find anything wrong, and my hands work pretty good except for a few activities (computer, phone, remote control). Any success stories like this??? I need to get over this little doubt hump Thanks for this site!!!!!!!
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| Miche76 | TMS or real structural spine problem? | 12 | Aug 24 2011, 9:18 AM EDT by Back2-It | ||||
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Hi, i'm a 34 male from italy, real sporting-guy (fitness/bodybuilding+jogging)
First of all thanks, thanks for this web site and for this sharing of knowledge. Since 7 weeks i'm suffering of continuous back pain, triggered by a bad excercise at the gym (pin-pull deadlift). I’m not in excruciating pain, but it’s just there and wearing me down. I'm not new to this kind of pain, had some other "incident" in the past, but in a couple of days the pain disappears. This time was different, since the pain seems so stubborn, i've been through many doctors&back expert with the only result to become very depressed. One of the practinior also said me that my back, with that structural abnormality, will never be pain free; this completely crushed me out. He said that it's only a matter of time, that the kiphosis worsen more and more the lordosis, and so all the muscles/nerves around the tailbone/lower end will be under constant stress. I've discovered Sarno's theory, purchased both books, and i'm starting the second time reading of "healing back pain". I find myself in many, many things/behaviour he describes in his book, especially by the psicological point of view. I suffer from IBS too. All these analogy excited me so much and since 2 weeks i'm trying to follow strictly what the book recomend. But i have a big doubt the make me a bit hesitant in the COMPLETE acceptance of TMS diagnosis because i have a disc bulging L5S1 and a kyphotic/lordotic spine since teenage (i wear also a corset for some month when i was 13). So, whereas the bulging is well covered in the books, i don't see any mention to the kiphosis and/or lordosis. I'm hesitant because a part of my mind is still thinking that this bad combination is the cause of the pain. What do you think? thanks indeed for any kind answer cheers Michele
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