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Dr. Sarno says Presence Process is a great descript. of TMS psychology
May 13 2010, 2:19 PM EDT | Post edited: May 13 2010, 2:20 PM EDTSome of you may already know this, but in an online talk show, Dr. Sarno has acknowledged that he considers the Presence Process to be a great (maybe even the best) description that he's seen of the unconscious processes that drive TMS. While his own treatment plan is, of course, distinct, he sometimes does the breathing exercises from it and even used it in his lectures back when he did them.
Since there's been an awful lot of interest in the Presence Process on this forum (see the following threads: http://tmswiki.wetpaint.com/page/The+Presence+Process/thread ), I thought I'd paste in a transcript. If you don't know what the Presence Process is, click this link to read about it: http://tmswiki.wetpaint.com/page/The+Presence+Process
Here's the transcript:
Murphy: Dr. Sarno, I have said many times, and this is second hand from Dr. Sklar, that you have said that the Presence Process is the best book you’ve ever read and has applications to 100% of your patients and that you were doing, while you weren’t doing the Presence Process experientially, you were doing the breathing exercises 15 minutes twice a day. How far off base am I by saying that?
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1. RE: Dr. Sarno says Presence Process is a great descript. of TMS psychology
May 13 2010, 2:19 PM EDT
Sarno: I have to say that I’m not faithful about that, sometimes yes and sometimes no. So that I’m not very good at doing these repetitive things and so on. And obviously I don’t integrate that into my work with patients. The way I deal with this whole area is to take people with physical symptoms and get them to understand the nature of the symptom and what the real reason for the symptom is. As I said before, in other words I’m saying I’ve got to get you out of the physical world and get you into the psychological world. That’s the only way you will be able to deal with these symptoms appropriately.
Murphy: Right. Right. And Dr. Sklar has said that you were using aspects of the Presence Process in you lectures to your patients. Is that right?
Sarno: Actually I was. I’m no longer -- I’ve stopped doing the lecture thing. Everything I do with patients know is on a one to one basis. And its been quite a while since I discontinued doing the lectures. I’ve felt that they were essentially handholding. That one had to work with them individually to really get them where they need to be.
Sklar: And hey Frank I just wanted clarify. I believe that when Dr. Sarno looked at the presence process he said he thought it was a great, maybe the best description he’s seen of the unconscious things that drive the condition he calls TMS. Isn’t that correct John, you thought it was just an eloquent, uh,
Sklar: [continuing…] description of all those processes that go on in the mind.
Sarno: Yes. Right.
[From the 5/12/10 episode of "Your Healing Power with Psyche and Soma." Starts at around 31:50. See http://tmswiki.wetpaint.com/page/Online+TMS+Radio+Show for details.] Do you find this valuable?